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I have no idea whether this has been done before or not, sorry if this mystery has already been solved (though I don't remember having seen anything about it around here for a long time), but here it is anyway :
Joe Jinis and Nuage from French team Judgehype deciphered the letters from Master Aryon and Divayth Fyr you get to deliver as a quest for House Telvanni, and they allowed me to report it here.
There may still be a few oddities, but the meaning is clear enough.
Message from Master Aryon :
To the esteemed Divayth Fyr : I will be blunt. I need an ally , the traditionalists and craies have joined to get her against me. If something is not done their shortsighted nets may bring house Telvanny to more direct conflict with Redoran, Indoril, Hlaallu, even the Empire.
Surely you can redict the Empire collapse as well as I. We should work together to save our house ! You could claim a position on the council by merely as I, even Gothren and Neloth. I must admit that you are older; a wise rain every waidsmerior to the min the arcane arts .
Your honored student, Master Aryon.
Answer from Divayth Fyr:
To my former student: regrettably, I decline your offer now. What you are planning, and I wish you well, I have the utmost respect for you personally, but I do not wish to involve myself in the dealing soft we council. I feel you will find some one more suitable to your purpose so on until the perhaps you should persuade.
Baladdas Divayth Fyr.
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Very nice! I had no idea that Aryon was Fyr's student. That explains Aryon's benevolent disposition. It's a surprize however that Divayth is so apathetic towards the House Telvanni.
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Well, that was interesting.
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Great find! These letters are extremely interesting. I'm pretty sure we don't have this at The Library. Do you know how it was decoded?
Edited by B (01/28/04 04:54 PM)
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Excellent. 
Thanks for bringing this to the Forum's attention, Karnath.
I would also love to know the decoding method so that we can reproduce it for verification.
Users of this forum have long suspected that the messages were encoded using a Vignere cipher. If so, I would love to know what the keys finally turned out to be. 
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I'll translate Joe and Nuage's explanation for you ...
The letters are written in Daedric runes, so they used the texts from the Construction Set (in Latin alphabet) :
<< 1) Both messages end with the names of their author - I assumed so, and such came out to be the case. It then sufficed to look out for similarities between both strings endings ("Master Aryon" and "Divayth Fyr", so R and Y, mainly) - and it appeared that "Y" could be coded as the double letter "ii" >> [note : there are no Ys in Daedric Alphabet] <<Then it was almost done.
2) By doing so, we discovered that there were parasite letters, easily recognized : simplest parasite pairs included X, Y or Z>> [note again : which appeared as blank with the Daedric font, anyway]
So they deleted these characters (only Xs, Ys and Zs, not the whole pairs) ; then it was just about replacing pairs with the appropriate letters.
So you can easily decode it again to clear up the odd parts 
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I went to that Judge Hype site and found the thread talking about the letters. It appears as though the message takes a two to one letter groups. The partial table below shows what they used:
BB: a
BD: b
BH: c
BJ: d
CD: e
CJ: f
DB: g
DH: h
EB: i
ED: j
: k
FD: l
FJ: m
GB: n
GH: o
HB: p
q
HJ: r
ID: s
IJ: t
JH: u
AB: v
AD: w
AH: x
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Now Now... Is it time to update the library?
I am astonished to your great find, Karnath et all... Great job! Finally one of the great misteries of MW is solved.
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WOW! That's great. 
Interesting as well. I suppose I was on the wrong track with the simple cipher I was trying before. I really expected as much after looking at the combinations of letters in the text.
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Wonderful.
Confirms what I theorised about Aryon in the past. That makes me happy as I like the NPC Aryon.
Thank you very much for sharing.
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WOW! That's great.
Interesting as well. I suppose I was on the wrong track with the simple cipher I was trying before....
You and me both, pal. 
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Great work guys!!! 
Phil
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Karnath, you don't mind if we put this information in The Imperial Library? With a credit to you of course.
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Hi guys !
I just realized that the information on how to decypher the text posted here are quite obscure (the ones I posted in french are weird explained anyway, the fault is mine ^^).
To be a bit more understood:
1) I assumed (and been right ) that both texts ended with the name of Master Aryon and Divayth Fyr
2) I assumed that two letters in the cyphered text corresponded to a single decypeherd letter
3) I tried to make match the similirars letters in both names (the "r", the "y", etc.)
4) What striked me was that where "y" should have been in the deciphered text, I encountered a double letter, cyphered by "EB EB". I assumed that "EB" was for "i", and again I've been right.
When I was to this point, the major part of the job was done.
5) The last issue lied in some parasite letters. So I decided to wipe all the letters and the cyphered pair that did not please me. Quite rude, but right ^^
There is two type of parasites pairs: cyphered pairs that were not corresponding to any letters (easy to spot because they are unique pairs) and cyphered pairs that you can decypher but make words without sense. So you have to wipe them off 
What make things easy was the way the pairs are cyphered.
For exemple, BB stand for "a", BD for "b", BH for "c", etc. So when you begin to have so letters, discovering the others are easy.
And here it is... That's all folks
If you have any question, do not hesitate
Nuage, from Judgehype team, the greatest French Board
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Great work Nuage.
No wonder these messages have proved so difficult to crack.
Pass the thanks on to all your team.
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Karnath, you don't mind if we put this information in The Imperial Library? With a credit to you of course.
I didn't help at all decipher it, the only thing I did was reporting their discovery here, so the credit should go to Nuage and Joe Jinis (I wouldn't want them to think I was trying to steal it from them  )
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Karnath, you don't mind if we put this information in The Imperial Library? With a credit to you of course.
I didn't help at all decipher it, the only thing I did was reporting their discovery here, so the credit should go to Nuage and Joe Jinis (I wouldn't want them to think I was trying to steal it from them )
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No worries
Really it was just a game and I have been lucky, no need to give me a medal for that ^^
Now I'm going to work on the Dwemer's rune issue... A bit harder ^^
Nuage.
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Ah, same question goes to Nuage. May we publish this in TIL?
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Of course yes !
But there still may be some mistakes in my transcription... I do not know the game very well, so I put the first name, well, the way it seemed to fit well ^^
Anyway, just a dumb question: can you give me a link to the TIL ? I must been stupid (or very tired ^^) but I did not find it... Time to go to sleep ^^ Dwemers runes will have to wait
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Hello
Can you explain nuage and me what are the craies?
We didn't understand what they are :/
Yes now it's the time to translate the Dwemer, May the force be with us
edit: I don't understand the word "waidsmerior" too :/
And i have a question , the game is out since nearly two years , why do bethesda team not reveal us the mw secrets?
Do they wait for the next elder scroll?
Edited by JoeJinis (01/29/04 07:39 PM)
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Anyway, just a dumb question: can you give me a link to the TIL ? I must been stupid (or very tired ^^) but I did not find it... Time to go to sleep ^^ Dwemers runes will have to wait
You can link to the Library through Xan's sig or mine.
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Now I'm going to work on the Dwemer's rune issue... A bit harder ^^
Whoa! Excellent. I wish you chaps the best of luck with the Dwemer runes. 
It would be so good if you finally manage to break them too.
Check out the Runes section at the Academy for Dwemer Studies web site for some background to where some of us on this forum have got to with those runes.
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Oh yeah right !
Pff, I'm really a dumb old guy who should stop drinkin' ^^
Well, as I said, use our translation as you want, no worries, it's not as if it was the first decyphering of Enigma by the Allies ^^
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> Hello
> Can you explain nuage and me what are the craies?
> edit: I don't understand the word "waidsmerior" too :/
As a quick go-over, this would be my best guess as to what they'd look like with the gibberish resolved into something that fits the general content and context:
To the esteemed Divayth Fyr : I will be blunt. I need an ally. The traditionalists and crazies have joined together against me. If something is not done their shortsighted acts may bring house Telvanni to more direct conflict with Redoran, Indoril, Hlaallu, even the Empire.
Surely you can predict the Empire's collapse as well as I. We should work together to save our house ! You could claim a position on the council by merely asking. Even Gothren and Neloth must admit that you are older; a wise man every way superior to them in the arcane arts.
Your honored student, Master Aryon.
Answer from Divayth Fyr:
To my former student: regrettably, I decline your offer now. What you are planning, and I wish you well, I have the utmost respect for you personally, but I do not wish to involve myself in the dealings of the council. I feel you will find some one more suitable to your purpose soon. Until then perhaps you should persuade Baladdas. Divayth Fyr.
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I just redid the translations and here's the result:
To the esteemed Divayth Fyr,
I will be blunt: I need an ally. The traditionalists and crazies have joined together against me. If something is not done, their short sightedness may bring house Telvanni to more direct conflict with Redoran, Indoril, Hlaalu and even the Empire! Surely you can predict the Empire's collapse as well as I... We should work together to save your house. You could claim a position on the council by merly asking. Even Gothren and Neloth must admit that you are older and wiser and in every way superior to them in the arcane arts.
Your honored student
Master Aryon
and in reply
To my former student,
Regretably I must decline your offer. I know what you are planning and I wish you well. I have the utmost respect for you personally but I do not wish to involve myself in the dealings of the council. I feel you will find someone more suitable to your purpose soon. Until then perhaps you could persuade Baladdas.
Divayth Fyr
Also, here is a translation key:
a = BB
b = BD
c = BH
d = BJ
e = CD
f = CJ
g = DB
h = DH
i = EB
j = ED
k = EH
l = FD
m = FJ
n = GB
o = GH
p = HB
q = HD
r = HJ
s = ID
t = IJ
u = JH
v = AB
w = AD
x =
y = EB EB
z = AH
There appears to be a (sort of) pattern (Which is where the 'q' translation came from.)
Thanks to those that cracked the code! Great work!
Xan: I also have the translated letters with the 'filler' letters still in place. Let me know if you want a copy of them.
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Haha
Ok now all is well =)
Now the dwemer *-*
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Guys, it's on TIL. Thanks to Striker, and full credit goes to JoeJinis and Nuage.
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Can I butt in here with a question? Keeping in mind I know virtually nothing about the whole Lore thing. 
Anyhoo, in the original translation from the poster Aryon said: "We should work together to save our House..."
While in the translation of Striker Aryon says: "We should work together to save your House..."
Maybe an obvious question, but does that mean Divayth Fyr is the founder of House Telvanni?
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If he is as old as they say he is, he may very well be. We don't really know when House Telvanni was founded, or any of the Houses for that matter, so I would say its possible.
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That's OUR house , there is no double I at this emplacement ( double I = one Y ) so he mays make a mistake that's all
But it wouldnt change nothing for the trame of the history i think ^^
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Oops! That was a mistake. I've fixed it on the TIL. It's save our house.
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This is a most wonderful discovery!!!
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Very Helpful For my Telvanni Character Master Mordicai's understanding of his Telvanni Peers
Good Luck with Dwemer make sure to check the imperial library they already have parts of it translated..... some of the letters anyways
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The Dwemer alphabet translation was not done by TIL, so it's not there. The translation was done by Nigedo and Aquiantus, and the website is Academy for Dwemer Studies.
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And i think ( it engages me only ) that the wormgod's uses of dwemer's alphabet wasn't the good one , i think that he pick out some letters that seems goods and make words with ...because i apllied the filter excel file and i didn't give anything good :/
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